I will try to start this off with a question... It seems like in these chapters that Siddhartha strayed from the path of enlightenment, do you think his 20 year "break" is enough that he will not achieve it, or does he still have a chance?
Javon- I think he still has chance to reach Enlightenment because although he has regressed from the path he set out on, he has still learned and grown from who he was.
I think it is all inside of him. Enlightenment has to time limit nor outline. He will obtain it, when he does. If there was a rush to obtain, certain things and thoughts would be forced.
I believe the dream is about Siddhartha turning over to his wants and needs. And he isn't totally enlightened and has a lot more to learn and concentrate on.
I don't think it's because we try not to be present, but it's because we are taught to multi-task literally everything, and so much is on our minds at one time that it's impossible to be completely present in everything unless an effort is made to be.
I think that he never strays from the path of enlightenment. Even when he strays from a "holy path" it is only through his deviations that he learns the opposites of enlightenment, which in turn helps him find truth.
I think it is out of our control if we are present in life because we always have a million things going on in our lives and it takes our concentration away from living fully.
Amanda- I think being present all the time is out of our control. We are always so busy, and have so much going on that it is impossible to be in the moment as much as we should. I believe, however that we have complete control over the moments when we stop and have to force ourselves to be in the moment, and be present.
I think we choose not to be present in our lives because of our fast-pace culture. There are always new ways of faster communication, so we're always running around crazy and not enough time to stop, think, and really take the time to 'smell the flowers.'
It seems to me that the dream is way that Siddhartha is being needy with his life line. Maybe showing that he still have wants. It's almost like he is being nursed by Govinda because he doesn't know anything else. If that made sense what so ever.
I believe that being present or not is more of a personality trait. I know people that when you talk to them they will stop what they're doing in order to give you their full attention. Then there's other people that will give you half their attention while they're in a completely different place.
Javon- I think that though he strayed from his intended path he still has a chance to reach enlightenment. He has created new aspects that he will add to his path and he has learned many things that he never would have had he not taken his break.
Javon- I agree with Alyssa in the fact that though Siddartha has strayed from his original goal/path, he has had experiences that he can learn from. With this new found knowledge of the world, he may have a better understanding. He may also have done it to purge himself of many of the desires that he would have been tempted by later while he was attempting nirvana again.
@Amanda I think it's something that we can't control. We don't choose to be present. In this day and age we have a million things going on and sometimes we are forced to not be present due to our busy lives if that makes sense.
Amanda- I believe that some of the situations that we are not "present" in are not necessarily controllable. If an event doesn't capture our attention or leave something memorable for us, then our body goes into an auto pilot in a sense. We are there and comprehensive during the event, but once it is over and a short period of time passes (about 5 days) that moment has been stored in the deep confounds of our mind and may never be relocated again.
In response to Javon's question, I don't think it is "harming" his change at achieving enlightenment, but rather is a necessary step for him. He has never experienced these pleasures and pains in his life; he has been rather neutral in his experiences up to this point. He needs to understand what these things are like in order to understand the path to enlightenment. If we didn't know light, could we perceive darkness? Can something be clean with out something else being dirty so we can compare the two? Can you reach enlightenment and escape the Self without fully experiencing what the Self is and what it can do for your emotions? His stray from his normal path is not harming him, especially since he willingly returns to the path at the end of Chapter 7.
i think that even though he has taken a 20 year break, i think that if he wants enlightenment that badly he can achieve it with effort and time. if you want something bad enough youll do whatever you can to achieve it and i think the same with siddartha.
I think that we are never quite present in many times of our lives because we are trying so hard to manage and control what happens in them. We make ourselves into a machine that processes and schedules, reads, sends. Siddartha begins to just accept his world as it is, instead of trying to control it.
Alyssa- I agree with you. I think we have a lot on our minds and it's hard for us to focus on one thing at a time. We have been taught to multi-task and take on a lot of things at once.
Paige, I think being present is always a choice though. We can control these things. If we learn to manage our time right or we don't let ourselves get wrapped up in work or school, we can give other people our full attention and be present.
Alyssa and Tyler and Brett- I think that you guys all have the right idea. That was the impression that I got as well I was just curious what everyone else thought. Brett I especially like that idea that Enlgihtment is a timeless achievement, that he will always have a chance to really focus and reach the enlightment he desires.
Going off of what Louise said, if we as humans only dwell on the paths we have chosen, or paths that we have mindlessly strayed upon, instead of trying to bettter ourselves with whatever has happened to us. Lessons can be learned from everything, and people can only grow stronger from mistakes made.
I think that even if you give someone your full attention though you are still not going to retain what you talked about the next day unless that conversation was truly meaningful. So in essence you can give someone your attention but that moment in time will probably not be that important to you in the whole scheme of life. It seems like our whole lives are centered around the future these days were so focused on preparing to be successful later in life that were blowing off the present.
@Emily I believe that the young woman symbolizes tempatation. I believe that something out there is testing everyone and that the younger woman is definitly a test for Siddhartha.
I found it somewhat ironic that right after he sets out on his own, and breaks from the strict rules of the Samanas, he is seduced. I saw it as a true test of his beliefs and his choice to go on his own.
i think some of the reason why we arent present in some parts of our life is because we dont want to be or we choose not to be. we mnay have other things going on in our life that may have out asttention at that time or theres something in our life that we dont want to be present for so we numb out and just ignore it so we dont have to deal with it. and i dont think thats always a good thing. because there might be something going on in that point in time that your going to miss out on that youll regret later. you have to be careful and make sure that you pay attention to everything in your life. you never know what youll miss.
Emily- I think that the woman represents temptation. She is testing Siddhartha's desires and whether or not he has given up his desires to reach enlightenment.
@Maddy I'm stuck if he made a mistake or if he is a hyprocrite. Everyone makes mistakes right? He hasnt reached enlightenment for hes still learning from his mistakes. I believe that mistakes can be the best kind of learning. SO is Siddartha a hyprocrite? Or is he learning from his mistakes?
Alyssa, I agree with you that it was ironic that as soon as he declared that he was on his own he was faced with a test. I think this is true in real life as well, it seems that as soon as we go off on our own we are immediately faced with choices that we never expected to have to make.
I see a lot of people saying that our culture is what has turned us into processors of information and that is why we are not always prsent in the "now"... so what factors of our society do you think are contributing to this growing trend of disconnection from the moments we experience??
well Paige, I totally agree with you but the standard now-a-days is that if you think someone is attractive, it is not a matter of just spending time with them maybe on a simple date or something, but getting jiggy. We see it in movies, TV, all media.
Erin- I think it is along the lines of wanting something that is not just handed to us. So many people say that teenagers are still to young to have sex and that just makes us want to do it more; it is like drinking and drugs, we are not supposed to do them so we grow more and more curious.
ErinM - I think we went sex so bad at our age, not just because of our hormones but because of our media. Every movie, tv show, and entertainment scandals are all about sex. So we just think that it is the normal.
@ Ashley That is a good comment. It brings up if he is still on the path on learning or has a set path and has become a hypocrite. So very good point on the other view of the conversation. Do you think he has innocent intentions then with kamala?
Javon- I think technology is a huge contributor to our disconnect. Our lives, especially as teenagers, is so fast-paced that we completely forget to stop and take a moment to be present.
Javon- I think that advancement in technology might contribute to the disconnection. Also, I think people have higher expectations for the amount of work that needs to be accomplished.
Javon, there's so much going on around us. I think one of the main factors would be work and school. Work and school consume our lives. We are pressured to do well in school. When we start working, our bosses will demand a lot from us. We're going to want to do better and so we'll work more. I also think a lot of our disconnectedness starts early with videogames.
I think its hormones. Everyone has them and that what they want right? To get it on..sooo yes its tempation i guess also but its hormones, because if we didn't have hormones we wouoldnt be advertising sex. Right?
To some people I think sex is a way of feeling needed and accepted. I also think sex is something people feel obligated to do, it seems like everyone does it so why not? (not my mindset). I think alot of people are under the allusion that sex is love, but I think that usually unless your married that isn't the case.
I think that even school for us is what creates the disconnect. With practices, rehearsals, clubs, ect. taking so much of our time after school, and then piling hours of homework on top of that, we hardly have a few hours every week for ourselves. We don't have the capacity to "be present" because we simply don't have the time.
@Maddy Not at first. He wants her at the beginning but then like Moritz said he starts to love her. So I think it was never really innocent...So he's making mistakes in his learning process like said before.
@Logan I agree. I feel like people have sex in order to find love. Having sex with someone won't make them love you though. I think people are scared of ending up alone so by having sex with someone maybe that will keep them around. Majority of the time that won't work though.
I agree with Logan. I think sex is an aspect of a relationship, but having sex with someone does not show them that you love them or mean that you love them. It is merely apart of the relationship. Having a great conversation with someone, and trying to learn as mish as you can about your boyrfriend or girlfriend, and doing the little things, such as telling them what you think about them, holding the door for them, and expressing how you feel about them to others, are the things that determine true love, not just taking the step to having sex.
Maddy- I think that the difference between lust and love is the lasting effect. I think that as high schoolers many of us have experienced this as we have grown up because it is clear to us that we never loved the elementary and middle school crushes that we were so cinvinced we did love, I think that is lust because of how quickly we move on. However, as we grow we realize what we truly want in a partner and companion and while most of us don't find love in high school we realize what love really is and we learn how to find that in the future.
@Ashley So do you think that he will be able to be a good person if he has needs (lust) towards kamala? I understand that he falls in love later, but is that the way to go about it then?
David- I also saw pressure as a factor as to why we can't be present. We seem to have a major pressure to do bigger and better than anyone before. We are so focused and trying to hard to do everything, and do it well that we forget to live in the moment.
@Maddy Lust is wants and needs. Love is caring for one another..I believe love is you only need that one person and you forget about what you want and instead focus on what your "significant other" needs.
David, video games I believe are a large part of it though. I also think cell phones also have a negative impact as well. They have that commercial from Dell about the new phone that gets you reconnected to life faster. That relates to what we're talking about. So many people are like that in the commercial. Life is happening around them and they're consumed in their phones...or COD
@maddy i think the difference between the two is the motive and the reasons behind love. you can say and tell yourself and the person that your with that you love them but sometime do you really mean it? and then there is love where youll do whatever you can to help that person and your completely selfless for that other person, and your so overwhelmed with love you dont know what to do. i think it depends on motives and how you feel about the other person.
Josh, in todays world, you must be good at COD to succeed in life. Yes technology is disconnecting us from our social activities, but our world is only going to get greater in technology so we must learn to use it now.
@Maddy Well yeah its not the best virtues but I guess if he gets the right idea in the end its all right. Because hes learning from his mistakes, everyone sins. You can't live in the past.
Patrick- I think that the general public has a skewed view that success that brings great wealth will ultimately bring them happiness, but the truth is happiness doesn't always gaurantee success, and success definitely doesn't gaurantee happiness. I personally believe that is more important to live a happy life than to be extremely wealthy.
@Ashley I can agree with that. I just don't think people our age come to that conclusion right away, and it just comes naturally in life hopefully. It can relate back to Siddhartha, and all apart of the hero's journey.
I agree with Logan about how people view sex. In reality it seems that sex does not mean love, as in Siddhartha's case, but people view it as an expression of love but it can not express love unless the feelings are there previous to the action.
@Erin's comment from a while ago, I think we crave sex so bad at our age because we think it will make us more adult-like. Another reason is because we think it's the thing to do. Everyone else is doing it so why not? I'm not saying that's the only reason. Some people have sex because they truly love each other.
Also going off the whole love vs. lust topic, there are different kinds of love. I think in highschool love is thrown around too easily, We love our car, our friends, food, etc, so saying we love our Girlfriend or boyfriend is an easy thing to say. But I think true love is unconditional and in high school I rarely see this, we may "love" someone but if they mess up we break up with them even if we are "in love". This high school love isn't unconditional love its a shallow attempt at it.
@ErinM. I agree with you. My question is does it get to a point where you want the best for the person you care for, that it starts to become an unhealthy relationship? I think that there has to be a healthy level of caring for each other.
Javon, I agree. Success has very little, if anything, to do with happiness. You can be richer than Bill Gates but still be miserable. And then there could be people living on the streets but be as happy as can be. Money can help you live comfortably which could make you happy, but it can also bring stress and other problems. So many people think money is the answer. If I had more money I'd be happy. If my house was nicer, I'd be happy. People can reach these goals for happiness and yet never find happiness.
@Brett I believe "soaking in eachothers presense" is still alive today. I know I love to go hang out with my friends and family and just talk and catch up with people. Its society. America is very social, and has many social events.
@ Brett When you're with other people, there's distractions around. You're playing video games, you're texting the people who aren't there. If there's a period of time where there's silence, you try to fill it with something. There'e no "soaking".
@cjb our early experiences might influence who we are as an adult. I mean that's why we take in so much information as a child. Our love life during the teenage years may impact our future partner in life. Or it may not it's hard to tell.
Emily- I think that shows that we tend to look for the easy way out. We just want to get things done quickly, and we don't take the time to actually think about what we are reading or writing. This relates to the idea that we don't take time to be present. We just do things to them. Not to put effort or thought into it, and that's unfortunate for us.
Emily I think at least in school we need to set up an enitrely different education system to get people to become engaged and start to actually think. Since we are required to take a wide range of subjects, some of us don't excel in them or they just don't have interest in them so we don't put our thoughts into them. If we all got to choose what we wanted to pursue at the beginning of high school, you would get more thought and output into each subject from the people that actually enjoy that subject.
Maddy F-I think there is a point where it becomes unhealthy because all you want for the person you care for is the best. It completely takes over a person because the other person becomes their entire life. All they want for them is the best and for them to be happy so they try to do everythhing they can to make that happen and never see them sad but in the end they don't think about themselves enough. I think that there has to be a healthy level of caring for each other or one will always be hurt.
It's easy not to think, because thinking is really really hard. Deep, meaningful thoughts are not easy to come up with, and this is especially true for some people. I don't believe that there is any practical way to change our society or even our education system that would allow this without a complete upheaval. Our culture is too rooted in its easy, unthoughtful ways.
@Nancy & Brett I agree with Nancy's statement that there are a lot of distractions but I can still be engaged in anothers presence...But there are times when there is a lot on my mind or a lot of distraction so then is the time when there is no "soaking"
@Nancy That's very true. Even when you are just hanging out there's always some distraction. People always feel the need to have something entertaining them. Whether it be TV or video games. People always feel awkward when there is silence. They are always trying to fill the silence with pointless conversation instead of just living in the moment.
I do think having feelings like this in high school will affect you later in life. If you automatically think you love someone just because you've had sex or have been dating for a certain amount of time, then I think finding the person you can be with for the rest of your life will be harder. If your not truly in love with someone and you say you are even if you are "in love with them" is just setting yourself up to fail. People have skewed love to the point that its not even real anymore.
Emily- In order for people to want to learn they have to be studying topics that interest them or there has to be a way to learn creativly. People get bored of the typical lecture and notes.
I will try to start this off with a question... It seems like in these chapters that Siddhartha strayed from the path of enlightenment, do you think his 20 year "break" is enough that he will not achieve it, or does he still have a chance?
ReplyDeleteWhy do we choose to not be present in some parts of our lives? Or is it something that we can't control?
ReplyDeleteI feel as if we just want to get through our lives faster than not. So I believe that we forget what really matters in life.
ReplyDeleteJavon- I think he still has chance to reach Enlightenment because although he has regressed from the path he set out on, he has still learned and grown from who he was.
ReplyDelete@ Javon
ReplyDeleteI think it is all inside of him. Enlightenment has to time limit nor outline. He will obtain it, when he does. If there was a rush to obtain, certain things and thoughts would be forced.
Javon-
ReplyDeleteI think it will set him back quite a bit but I think if he perseveres and is determined that he can still achieve it.
I believe the dream is about Siddhartha turning over to his wants and needs. And he isn't totally enlightened and has a lot more to learn and concentrate on.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it's because we try not to be present, but it's because we are taught to multi-task literally everything, and so much is on our minds at one time that it's impossible to be completely present in everything unless an effort is made to be.
ReplyDeleteThe dream with Govinda in it what does the milk represent? Would it be the nutrients (his old life) that Siddhartha craves?
ReplyDelete@ Javon's question
ReplyDeleteI think that he never strays from the path of enlightenment. Even when he strays from a "holy path" it is only through his deviations that he learns the opposites of enlightenment, which in turn helps him find truth.
I think it is out of our control if we are present in life because we always have a million things going on in our lives and it takes our concentration away from living fully.
ReplyDeleteAmanda- I think being present all the time is out of our control. We are always so busy, and have so much going on that it is impossible to be in the moment as much as we should. I believe, however that we have complete control over the moments when we stop and have to force ourselves to be in the moment, and be present.
ReplyDeleteI think we choose not to be present in our lives because of our fast-pace culture. There are always new ways of faster communication, so we're always running around crazy and not enough time to stop, think, and really take the time to 'smell the flowers.'
ReplyDeleteI agree with Maddy that Siddhartha is starting to crave "nutrients". He is falling into tempation and it is represented in this dream.
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me that the dream is way that Siddhartha is being needy with his life line. Maybe showing that he still have wants. It's almost like he is being nursed by Govinda because he doesn't know anything else. If that made sense what so ever.
ReplyDeleteI believe that being present or not is more of a personality trait. I know people that when you talk to them they will stop what they're doing in order to give you their full attention. Then there's other people that will give you half their attention while they're in a completely different place.
ReplyDeleteJavon- I think that though he strayed from his intended path he still has a chance to reach enlightenment. He has created new aspects that he will add to his path and he has learned many things that he never would have had he not taken his break.
ReplyDeleteJavon- I agree with Alyssa in the fact that though Siddartha has strayed from his original goal/path, he has had experiences that he can learn from. With this new found knowledge of the world, he may have a better understanding. He may also have done it to purge himself of many of the desires that he would have been tempted by later while he was attempting nirvana again.
ReplyDelete@Amanda
ReplyDeleteI think it's something that we can't control. We don't choose to be present. In this day and age we have a million things going on and sometimes we are forced to not be present due to our busy lives if that makes sense.
Amanda- I believe that some of the situations that we are not "present" in are not necessarily controllable. If an event doesn't capture our attention or leave something memorable for us, then our body goes into an auto pilot in a sense. We are there and comprehensive during the event, but once it is over and a short period of time passes (about 5 days) that moment has been stored in the deep confounds of our mind and may never be relocated again.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Javon's question, I don't think it is "harming" his change at achieving enlightenment, but rather is a necessary step for him. He has never experienced these pleasures and pains in his life; he has been rather neutral in his experiences up to this point. He needs to understand what these things are like in order to understand the path to enlightenment. If we didn't know light, could we perceive darkness? Can something be clean with out something else being dirty so we can compare the two? Can you reach enlightenment and escape the Self without fully experiencing what the Self is and what it can do for your emotions? His stray from his normal path is not harming him, especially since he willingly returns to the path at the end of Chapter 7.
ReplyDeletei think that even though he has taken a 20 year break, i think that if he wants enlightenment that badly he can achieve it with effort and time. if you want something bad enough youll do whatever you can to achieve it and i think the same with siddartha.
ReplyDeleteAmanda-
ReplyDeleteI think that we are never quite present in many times of our lives because we are trying so hard to manage and control what happens in them. We make ourselves into a machine that processes and schedules, reads, sends. Siddartha begins to just accept his world as it is, instead of trying to control it.
Alyssa- I agree with you. I think we have a lot on our minds and it's hard for us to focus on one thing at a time. We have been taught to multi-task and take on a lot of things at once.
ReplyDeleteWhat does the young woman who tries to seduce Siddhartha symbolize?
ReplyDeletePaige, I think being present is always a choice though. We can control these things. If we learn to manage our time right or we don't let ourselves get wrapped up in work or school, we can give other people our full attention and be present.
ReplyDeletePatrick doesnt having to do millions of things make it so that we can live our life. If they are the million things that you want to do?
ReplyDeleteAlyssa and Tyler and Brett- I think that you guys all have the right idea. That was the impression that I got as well I was just curious what everyone else thought. Brett I especially like that idea that Enlgihtment is a timeless achievement, that he will always have a chance to really focus and reach the enlightment he desires.
ReplyDeleteGoing off of what Louise said, if we as humans only dwell on the paths we have chosen, or paths that we have mindlessly strayed upon, instead of trying to bettter ourselves with whatever has happened to us. Lessons can be learned from everything, and people can only grow stronger from mistakes made.
ReplyDeleteEmily, she represents sex obviously!
ReplyDeleteI think that even if you give someone your full attention though you are still not going to retain what you talked about the next day unless that conversation was truly meaningful. So in essence you can give someone your attention but that moment in time will probably not be that important to you in the whole scheme of life. It seems like our whole lives are centered around the future these days were so focused on preparing to be successful later in life that were blowing off the present.
ReplyDeleteEmily,
ReplyDeleteI think she is one of the many challenges in his Hero's Journey. He (without too much trouble or conflict) overcomes that challenge.
Is Siddhartha a hypocrite? If he denies a woman based on his good virtues. But what about Kamala?
ReplyDelete@Emily
ReplyDeleteI believe that the young woman symbolizes tempatation. I believe that something out there is testing everyone and that the younger woman is definitly a test for Siddhartha.
I found it somewhat ironic that right after he sets out on his own, and breaks from the strict rules of the Samanas, he is seduced. I saw it as a true test of his beliefs and his choice to go on his own.
ReplyDeletei think some of the reason why we arent present in some parts of our life is because we dont want to be or we choose not to be. we mnay have other things going on in our life that may have out asttention at that time or theres something in our life that we dont want to be present for so we numb out and just ignore it so we dont have to deal with it. and i dont think thats always a good thing. because there might be something going on in that point in time that your going to miss out on that youll regret later. you have to be careful and make sure that you pay attention to everything in your life. you never know what youll miss.
ReplyDeleteCalvin, if Tina told you to do everything for her, would you feel like you are living life to the fullest or are you just passing by through life.
ReplyDeleteI like jfenton's comment.
ReplyDeleteEmily- I think that the woman represents temptation. She is testing Siddhartha's desires and whether or not he has given up his desires to reach enlightenment.
ReplyDeletewhy do we wamt sex so bad at our age? why is it sonething that we crave and do?
ReplyDeleteIn response to the live discussion, I think girls are promiscuous due to ego boost it gives them knowing that someone finds them attractive.
ReplyDelete@Maddy
ReplyDeleteI'm stuck if he made a mistake or if he is a hyprocrite. Everyone makes mistakes right? He hasnt reached enlightenment for hes still learning from his mistakes. I believe that mistakes can be the best kind of learning. SO is Siddartha a hyprocrite? Or is he learning from his mistakes?
Alyssa, I agree with you that it was ironic that as soon as he declared that he was on his own he was faced with a test. I think this is true in real life as well, it seems that as soon as we go off on our own we are immediately faced with choices that we never expected to have to make.
ReplyDelete@Erin
ReplyDeleteHormones.
agreed. Hormones
ReplyDeleteI see a lot of people saying that our culture is what has turned us into processors of information and that is why we are not always prsent in the "now"... so what factors of our society do you think are contributing to this growing trend of disconnection from the moments we experience??
ReplyDeletePatrick i see your point. I do believe that once you are an adult you can chose to do what you want to succeed in life happily.
ReplyDeletewell Paige, I totally agree with you but the standard now-a-days is that if you think someone is attractive, it is not a matter of just spending time with them maybe on a simple date or something, but getting jiggy. We see it in movies, TV, all media.
ReplyDelete@ ashley
ReplyDeletedo you think that its just hormones or is there something behind it?
Erin- I think it is along the lines of wanting something that is not just handed to us. So many people say that teenagers are still to young to have sex and that just makes us want to do it more; it is like drinking and drugs, we are not supposed to do them so we grow more and more curious.
ReplyDeleteErinM - I think we went sex so bad at our age, not just because of our hormones but because of our media. Every movie, tv show, and entertainment scandals are all about sex. So we just think that it is the normal.
ReplyDelete@ Ashley
ReplyDeleteThat is a good comment. It brings up if he is still on the path on learning or has a set path and has become a hypocrite. So very good point on the other view of the conversation. Do you think he has innocent intentions then with kamala?
Cjb- What if you are happy with what you are doing but you are not successful?
ReplyDeleteJavon- I think technology is a huge contributor to our disconnect. Our lives, especially as teenagers, is so fast-paced that we completely forget to stop and take a moment to be present.
ReplyDeleteJavon- I think that advancement in technology might contribute to the disconnection. Also, I think people have higher expectations for the amount of work that needs to be accomplished.
ReplyDeleteJavon, there's so much going on around us. I think one of the main factors would be work and school. Work and school consume our lives. We are pressured to do well in school. When we start working, our bosses will demand a lot from us. We're going to want to do better and so we'll work more. I also think a lot of our disconnectedness starts early with videogames.
ReplyDeleteI think its hormones. Everyone has them and that what they want right? To get it on..sooo yes its tempation i guess also but its hormones, because if we didn't have hormones we wouoldnt be advertising sex. Right?
ReplyDeleteTo some people I think sex is a way of feeling needed and accepted. I also think sex is something people feel obligated to do, it seems like everyone does it so why not? (not my mindset). I think alot of people are under the allusion that sex is love, but I think that usually unless your married that isn't the case.
ReplyDeleteI think that this is just a sad case of love verses love. Does someone know the difference between the two?
ReplyDeletejosh video games are so much fun COD is just so fun and you can still be social by talking to people over live.
ReplyDeleteJavon- We as a society are always focusing on the future and what will happen and how we can either prevent it or better the outcome.
ReplyDeleteashley_c-I agree with you but what does that say about our culture? What happened to our morals? Did we have any in the first place?
ReplyDeleteI meant lust. sorry
ReplyDeletetgehring, you sir, are brilliant and I agree with your comment.
ReplyDeleteI agree with CJ, and Josh our "Disconnectedness" isn't necessarily due to videogames, but technology as Alyssa said.
ReplyDeleteJavon,
ReplyDeleteI think that even school for us is what creates the disconnect. With practices, rehearsals, clubs, ect. taking so much of our time after school, and then piling hours of homework on top of that, we hardly have a few hours every week for ourselves. We don't have the capacity to "be present" because we simply don't have the time.
@Maddy
ReplyDeleteNot at first. He wants her at the beginning but then like Moritz said he starts to love her. So I think it was never really innocent...So he's making mistakes in his learning process like said before.
@Logan
ReplyDeleteI agree. I feel like people have sex in order to find love. Having sex with someone won't make them love you though. I think people are scared of ending up alone so by having sex with someone maybe that will keep them around. Majority of the time that won't work though.
Thank you Logan! I'm glad to see not every boy is obsessed with sex.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Logan. I think sex is an aspect of a relationship, but having sex with someone does not show them that you love them or mean that you love them. It is merely apart of the relationship. Having a great conversation with someone, and trying to learn as mish as you can about your boyrfriend or girlfriend, and doing the little things, such as telling them what you think about them, holding the door for them, and expressing how you feel about them to others, are the things that determine true love, not just taking the step to having sex.
ReplyDeleteMaddy- I think that the difference between lust and love is the lasting effect. I think that as high schoolers many of us have experienced this as we have grown up because it is clear to us that we never loved the elementary and middle school crushes that we were so cinvinced we did love, I think that is lust because of how quickly we move on. However, as we grow we realize what we truly want in a partner and companion and while most of us don't find love in high school we realize what love really is and we learn how to find that in the future.
ReplyDelete@Ashley
ReplyDeleteSo do you think that he will be able to be a good person if he has needs (lust) towards kamala? I understand that he falls in love later, but is that the way to go about it then?
David- I also saw pressure as a factor as to why we can't be present. We seem to have a major pressure to do bigger and better than anyone before. We are so focused and trying to hard to do everything, and do it well that we forget to live in the moment.
ReplyDelete@Maddy
ReplyDeleteLust is wants and needs. Love is caring for one another..I believe love is you only need that one person and you forget about what you want and instead focus on what your "significant other" needs.
David, video games I believe are a large part of it though. I also think cell phones also have a negative impact as well. They have that commercial from Dell about the new phone that gets you reconnected to life faster. That relates to what we're talking about. So many people are like that in the commercial. Life is happening around them and they're consumed in their phones...or COD
ReplyDelete@maddy
ReplyDeletei think the difference between the two is the motive and the reasons behind love. you can say and tell yourself and the person that your with that you love them but sometime do you really mean it? and then there is love where youll do whatever you can to help that person and your completely selfless for that other person, and your so overwhelmed with love you dont know what to do. i think it depends on motives and how you feel about the other person.
Josh, in todays world, you must be good at COD to succeed in life. Yes technology is disconnecting us from our social activities, but our world is only going to get greater in technology so we must learn to use it now.
ReplyDelete@Maddy
ReplyDeleteWell yeah its not the best virtues but I guess if he gets the right idea in the end its all right. Because hes learning from his mistakes, everyone sins. You can't live in the past.
Patrick- I think that the general public has a skewed view that success that brings great wealth will ultimately bring them happiness, but the truth is happiness doesn't always gaurantee success, and success definitely doesn't gaurantee happiness. I personally believe that is more important to live a happy life than to be extremely wealthy.
ReplyDelete@Ashley
ReplyDeleteI can agree with that.
I just don't think people our age come to that conclusion right away, and it just comes naturally in life hopefully. It can relate back to Siddhartha, and all apart of the hero's journey.
I agree with Logan about how people view sex. In reality it seems that sex does not mean love, as in Siddhartha's case, but people view it as an expression of love but it can not express love unless the feelings are there previous to the action.
ReplyDeleteAlyssa, I agree, pressure and stress can prevent us from living in the moment.
ReplyDeleteWhatever happened to just soaking in eachothers presense.
ReplyDelete@Erin's comment from a while ago,
ReplyDeleteI think we crave sex so bad at our age because we think it will make us more adult-like. Another reason is because we think it's the thing to do. Everyone else is doing it so why not? I'm not saying that's the only reason. Some people have sex because they truly love each other.
Also going off the whole love vs. lust topic, there are different kinds of love. I think in highschool love is thrown around too easily, We love our car, our friends, food, etc, so saying we love our Girlfriend or boyfriend is an easy thing to say. But I think true love is unconditional and in high school I rarely see this, we may "love" someone but if they mess up we break up with them even if we are "in love". This high school love isn't unconditional love its a shallow attempt at it.
ReplyDelete@ErinM.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you.
My question is does it get to a point where you want the best for the person you care for, that it starts to become an unhealthy relationship? I think that there has to be a healthy level of caring for each other.
I agree with Mrs. Moritz, it is so easy to not think. What could we do to try and change that? and what does that say about our culture?
ReplyDeleteJavon, I agree. Success has very little, if anything, to do with happiness. You can be richer than Bill Gates but still be miserable. And then there could be people living on the streets but be as happy as can be. Money can help you live comfortably which could make you happy, but it can also bring stress and other problems. So many people think money is the answer. If I had more money I'd be happy. If my house was nicer, I'd be happy. People can reach these goals for happiness and yet never find happiness.
ReplyDeleteLogan, so do you think that having these feelings in highschool will affect true love later on in life?
ReplyDelete@Brett
ReplyDeleteI believe "soaking in eachothers presense" is still alive today. I know I love to go hang out with my friends and family and just talk and catch up with people. Its society. America is very social, and has many social events.
@ Brett
ReplyDeleteWhen you're with other people, there's distractions around. You're playing video games, you're texting the people who aren't there. If there's a period of time where there's silence, you try to fill it with something. There'e no "soaking".
@ Nancy D
ReplyDeleteThe Ugly Truth
@cjb
ReplyDeleteour early experiences might influence who we are as an adult. I mean that's why we take in so much information as a child. Our love life during the teenage years may impact our future partner in life. Or it may not it's hard to tell.
Emily- I think that shows that we tend to look for the easy way out. We just want to get things done quickly, and we don't take the time to actually think about what we are reading or writing. This relates to the idea that we don't take time to be present. We just do things to them. Not to put effort or thought into it, and that's unfortunate for us.
ReplyDeleteEmily I think at least in school we need to set up an enitrely different education system to get people to become engaged and start to actually think. Since we are required to take a wide range of subjects, some of us don't excel in them or they just don't have interest in them so we don't put our thoughts into them. If we all got to choose what we wanted to pursue at the beginning of high school, you would get more thought and output into each subject from the people that actually enjoy that subject.
ReplyDeleteMaddy F-I think there is a point where it becomes unhealthy because all you want for the person you care for is the best. It completely takes over a person because the other person becomes their entire life. All they want for them is the best and for them to be happy so they try to do everythhing they can to make that happen and never see them sad but in the end they don't think about themselves enough. I think that there has to be a healthy level of caring for each other or one will always be hurt.
ReplyDeleteEmily,
ReplyDeleteIt's easy not to think, because thinking is really really hard. Deep, meaningful thoughts are not easy to come up with, and this is especially true for some people. I don't believe that there is any practical way to change our society or even our education system that would allow this without a complete upheaval. Our culture is too rooted in its easy, unthoughtful ways.
@Nancy & Brett
ReplyDeleteI agree with Nancy's statement that there are a lot of distractions but I can still be engaged in anothers presence...But there are times when there is a lot on my mind or a lot of distraction so then is the time when there is no "soaking"
@Nancy
ReplyDeleteThat's very true. Even when you are just hanging out there's always some distraction. People always feel the need to have something entertaining them. Whether it be TV or video games. People always feel awkward when there is silence. They are always trying to fill the silence with pointless conversation instead of just living in the moment.
I do think having feelings like this in high school will affect you later in life. If you automatically think you love someone just because you've had sex or have been dating for a certain amount of time, then I think finding the person you can be with for the rest of your life will be harder. If your not truly in love with someone and you say you are even if you are "in love with them" is just setting yourself up to fail. People have skewed love to the point that its not even real anymore.
ReplyDeleteEmily- In order for people to want to learn they have to be studying topics that interest them or there has to be a way to learn creativly. People get bored of the typical lecture and notes.
ReplyDeleteSo can you get away from distractions and "soak" in the persons presence?
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